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Dragon Age To Anti-Gay Fans: Get Over It

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"Yes, I will make love to you, though my heart belongs to Charizard."

Straight up, we have absolutely no idea what Dragon Age 2 is all about, and we haven’t done much gaming since catching both Palkia and Dialga a few Pokemon cycles ago. Suck it, Giratina! But we know you gays are big gamers, and we aim to please.

Just like the creators of Dragon Age 2, it seems. The massive multiplayer online extravaganza made waves with its release because of its ability to let players romance and bed absolutely anyone in the game. Lady elves get down with human men, Human women can get freaky deaky with Charizards, or whatever. (No, not Charizards? Why not? Charizards need love too!)

Anyone extends to same-sex relationships in the game as well, which is obviously a fantastically inclusive stance for a developer to take. And for the most part, Dragon Age players have been completely supportive of the move, if they notice at all. After all, just like in real life, you can’t make someone gay just by flirting with them. Free will prevails.

Some bonehead however decided to speak up on behalf of all straight gamers in the galaxy and denounce the man-love in DA2 on the online forums for the game’s creator, BioWare.

To summarize, in the case of Dragon Age 2, BioWare neglected their main demographic: The Straight Male Gamer.

I don’t think many would argue with the fact that the overwhelming majority of RPG gamers are indeed straight and male. Sure, there are a substantial amount of women who play video games, but they’re usually gamers who play games like The Sims, rather than games like Dragon Age. That’s not to say there isn’t a significant number of women who play Dragon Age and that BioWare should forgo the option of playing as a women altogether, but there should have been much more focus in on making sure us male gamers were happy.

Now immediately I’m sure that some male gamers are going to be like “YOU DON’T SPEAK FOR ME! I LOVE DRAGON AGE 2!”, but you have to understand, the Straight Male Gamer, cannot be just lumped into a single category.

Its ridiculous that I even have to use a term like Straight Male Gamer, when in the past I would only have to say fans, …”

Um, the ridiculous part isn’t your use of the term SMG, it’s the fact that the pixelated act of smooching in an online world full of rippled muscles in leather thongs and loincloths is the thing you perceive to be overtly homosexual. Your cool with your likeness being represented by a character whose asscheeks are hanging out, but not with anything “gay.” I see.

BioWare’s David Gaider, to the delight of this gay blog, hands the delegate from Straight Male Gamer-ville his ass in a fantastic rebuttal.

The romances in the game are not for “the straight male gamer”. They’re for everyone. We have a lot of fans, many of whom are neither straight nor male, and they deserve no less attention. We have good numbers, after all, on the number of people who actually used similar sorts of content in DAO and thus don’t need to resort to anecdotal evidence to support our idea that their numbers are not insignificant… and that’s ignoring the idea that they don’t have just as much right to play the kind of game they wish as anyone else. The “rights” of anyone with regards to a game are murky at best, but anyone who takes that stance must apply it equally to both the minority as well as the majority. The majority has no inherent “right” to get more options than anyone else.

More than that, I would question anyone deciding they speak for “the straight male gamer” just as much as someone claiming they speak for “all RPG fans”, “all female fans” or even “all gay fans”. You don’t. If you wish to express your personal desires, then do so. I have no doubt that any opinion expressed on these forums is shared by many others, but since none of them have elected a spokesperson you’re better off not trying to be one. If your attempt is to convince BioWare developers, I can tell you that you do in fact make your opinion less convincing by doing so.

And if there is any doubt why such an opinion might be met with hostility, it has to do with privilege. You can write it off as “political correctness” if you wish, but the truth is that privilege always lies with the majority. They’re so used to being catered to that they see the lack of catering as an imbalance. They don’t see anything wrong with having things set up to suit them, what’s everyone’s fuss all about? That’s the way it should be, any everyone else should be used to not getting what they want.

The truth is that making a romance available for both genders is far less costly than creating an entirely new one. Does it create some issues of implementation? Sure– but anything you try on this front is going to have its issues, and inevitably you’ll always leave someone out in the cold. In this case, are all straight males left out in the cold? Not at all. There are romances available for them just the same as anyone else. Not all straight males require that their content be exclusive, after all, and you can see that even on this thread.

Would I do it again? I don’t know. I doubt I would have Anders make the first move again– at the time, I thought that requiring all romances to have Hawke initiate everything was the unrealistic part. Even if someone decides that this makes everyone “unrealistically” bisexual, however, or they can’t handle the idea that the character might be bisexual if they were another PC… I don’t see that as a big concern, to be honest. Romances are never one-size-fits-all, and even for those who don’t mind the sexuality issue there’s no guarantee they’ll find a character they even want to romance. That’s why romances are optional content. It’s such a personal issue that we’ll never be able to please everyone. The very best we can do is give everyone a little bit of choice, and that’s what we tried here.

And the person who says that the only way to please them is to restrict options for others is, if you ask me, the one who deserves it least. And that’s my opinion, expressed as politely as possible.

Bra-effing-Vo!

What do you think of Dragon Age’s response to the “Straight Male Gamer” rep?

Via No More Lost

  • I did not know that game allows all that *cough* extra content. I might join the community, maybe if its not p2p.

  • dragon age 2 is not an online game.

  • Nick is correct, labeling DA2 as an MMORPG is incorrect, and possibly reckless to boot. Dragon Age 2 (as with its predecessor, Dragon Age: Origins) is an RPG, but not of the massively multi-player variety.

    Here’s hoping the editors take notice of these comments and correct this.

  • Maaaaaan….now I want it even more than I already did!

  • Despite this article being completely wrong about Dragons Age being an MMO…it is an amazing game. And a step in the right direction.

  • Ashley Valencia

    O_O Must…play…this…game!!!!!!!!!!

  • Daniel Phelps

    Well, first of all, anyone who’s played the game knows that Alistair is clearly a bottom….so they got that part all wrong. Otherwise, Dragon Age is a fantastic game with all kinds of choices to be made. If you don’t want to be gay, the game doesn’t force it upon you. You can be a lesbian prostitute, or a murderous assassin if you’d like. That makes it cool.

  • Nothing new… you could do the same thing in Fable!

  • Geologyst

    Straight Male Gamer is just pissed someone else is getting some, as usual.

  • Dale Winters

    I like it! Well thought out and well said…

  • Well as a bisexual I think it rocks!!! And as a gamer I think it should have been done a long time ago. And Alistair is a so bottom. But also people need to remember That its a game its not gonna turn you gay. If that clip made you uncomfortable you need to become more secure in your sexuality.

  • Buddy Englett

    I agree, Alistair should definitely be a bottom. And I applaud Mr. Gaider’s response- very well stated.

  • branni

    I agree with everyone being accepted. SMG is a prude.

  • I also find it to be intersting that Mr. SMG assumes only female gamers are going to play as female characters. One of my smg friends makesfemale characters in nearly every rpg he plays. He says ‘If I’m going to be staring at this character for hours upon hours, I may as well be looking at someone attractive.’ I agree with him, and make sexy bad ass male characters in all my games. 😀

  • Alena Davis

    “And if there is any doubt why such an opinion might be met with hostility, it has to do with privilege. You can write it off as “political correctness” if you wish, but the truth is that privilege always lies with the majority. They’re so used to being catered to that they see the lack of catering as an imbalance. They don’t see anything wrong with having things set up to suit them, what’s everyone’s fuss all about? That’s the way it should be, any everyone else should be used to not getting what they want.”

    I just thought that that bears repeating. Brilliantly put and it sums up the ‘gays want special rights’ argument. It’s not about gays wanting special rights, it’s about the privileged majority not wanting to share theirs.

  • Joey Lopez

    shazam! wow that was a long ass sex scene. haha

  • Dragon Age 2 is only the last of a number of games from Bioware that present the player with the option of same-sex relationships. Mass Effect 1 and 2 (a series of sci-fi RPGs) offer the possibility of same-sex relationships, inter-species relationships and even same-sex inter-species relationships (I loved me that blue telepathic alien woman!). As a bisexual woman gamer, I thought it was very refreshing and encouraging to see a game company take this route instead of catering exclusively to the SMG demographic. I found even more encouraging Gaider’s response quoted in the article. Very well said.

  • My boyfriend the “straight male gamer” has no problem with gay characters and we even agree that there should be more ability to be gay in a game. What the hell does a character’s prefrence in a mate have to do with anything in a game?

  • Man, I played a demo of that game and thought it was boring. DID NOT KNOW IT ACTUALLY GOT GOOD LATER.

  • Mr. Gaider’s response was so perfectly eloquent! He was spot on! 🙂

  • Angela Stanczak

    My boyfriend (yes, a straight male) doesn’t happen to care. He actually supports the idea of being able to have a homosexual relationship in the game. Mostly for the lesbians, but hey- I’d make a gay male character if I was so inclined to play the game. That’s just hot.

  • Charlotte M Spurrill-Kayser

    In an un-hacked Dragon Age Origins, Alistair was straight and so was Morrigan, while Zevran (male) and Lillianna (female) were both bi (though for some reason, Zevran was often refereed to by fans as “the gay elf”).  If Alistair has become bi in Dragon Age 2, I would say that’s a rather…unexpected turn for his character.

  • I’m over 2 months late responding to this but I don’t care. I applaud David Gaider for his response. He was respectful, yet put that punk in his place at the same time. And he’s right, that Straight Male Gamer is only concerned with privilege. Well put Mr. Gaider.

  • Anonymous

    I know I’m super late responding too but I had to say thank you, Bioware! I’ve been a fan of Bioware for a few years now and was thrilled with the Dragon Age games and hope to see more in the future. The relationships enhance the game expirience and are completely controlled by the player. My husband and I both played the games several times (me as females, him as males) to expirience every possible relationship.  Thank you again, Bioware for including the gay relationship options, and please keep it coming! (KOTOR 3, anyone?) And how do you make Allistair gay? I just started a male character just so i could see this. Also if i have one negative its that as a bi woman its hard to resist the ultra romantic advances of guys like Allistair and Anders when our female choices are clingy and nuerotic or super slutty. talking about super slutty, not one mention of The Blooming Rose? Go in, spend your money and hire everyone at least once. the entertainment is worth the 2 soveriegns.

  • Anonymous

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  • its not an ONLINE game it has online features just like the previous release, but its not a online world gameplay like WoW! i speak as a gamer and as someone who has dabbled in the games features LOL.

  • to think i haven’t played this game yet and im still trying to master the previous one, sometimes i sadden myself even >.<

  • If Alistair can be turned into a gay character I would like to know how.  I have played through Dragon Age Origins and have never gotten to get Alistair to to go farther than “you are my friend and I have your back. (with a male character every time – I have tried with Elf mage, Dalish Thief, Human thief and Human warrior)”  The online guide states for Dragon Age Origins “Alistair can only be romanced by a female character.”  And Alistair is not in Dragon Age 2 he is in Dragon Age Origins so the free loving programming of Dragon Age 2 is not an option.
    Yet I have seen an online scene with Alistair in a same sex relationship.  If some one knows the correct conversation tree to follow at every stage to in the game (initial meeting, Lothering, in camp when there are several options to pursue, in Redcliffe, ect.) to get Alistair into a same sex relationship message me on facebook.Also for those who do not know in the Human beginning with either a thief or a warrior there is two options in Dragon Age Origins in the library study.  You can either romance the female or get Darian to go to your room that night.  And there is a conversation with your characters brother in the game after the important triggering conversation with whole family to start the nest phase of the game in which the brother says supportive statments of your choice as a male character to get Darian into your bed that night. 

  • If Alistair can be turned into a gay character I would like to know how.  I have played through Dragon Age Origins and have never gotten to get Alistair to to go farther than “you are my friend and I have your back. (with a male character every time – I have tried with Elf mage, Dalish Thief, Human thief and Human warrior)”  The online guide states for Dragon Age Origins “Alistair can only be romanced by a female character.”  And Alistair is not in Dragon Age 2 he is in Dragon Age Origins so the free loving programming of Dragon Age 2 is not an option.Yet I have seen an online scene with Alistair in a same sex relationship.  If some one knows the correct conversation tree to follow at every stage to in the game (initial meeting, Lothering, in camp when there are several options to pursue, in Redcliffe, ect.) to get Alistair into a same sex relationship message me on facebook.Also for those who do not know in the Human beginning with either a thief or a warrior there is two options in Dragon Age Origins in the library study.  You can either romance the female or get Darian to go to your room that night.  And there is a conversation with your characters brother in the game after the important triggering conversation with whole family to start the nest phase of the game in which the brother says supportive statments of your choice as a male character to get Darian into your bed that night.

  • Anonymous

    The only way to romance Alistair as a male is to play the PC version and mod the game. In vanilla DA, he is straight.

  • Anonymous

    I was just so upset that I couldn’t romance Garrus as male Shepard D: I’m a female who usually roles male characters, and that just tore me up. XP

  • tewaz1

    Wow, I loved Dragon Age Origins, but Gaider’s comment has sealed the deal. I am now a loyal customer of Bio-ware. Never have I seen such a respectable reply to the rampant homophobia in the gaming world.
    Gaider showed both class and cajones! Good on Bio-ware!

  • Shane McGarry

    Alistair isn’t in DA2 as he’s King now.  Anders is his “replacement” and he is gayer than Christmas.  And my male character totally tapped that! lol

  • Adrian Serrano

    I applaud the representative and BioWare/DAO’s stance. Thank you for being inclusive and equal for ALL. 

  • Edward Soto

    “Those who deny freedom to others deserve it not for themselves.” (Abraham Lincoln, REPUBLICAN)

  • Jibblet Saucy Gravytime the 3r

    Almost everyone I know who played Dragons Age Origins, and Dragons Age two, were women. Not only were they women, but they were women who found great joy in trying to gather every species and gender combo in the game when it came to romance! I identify as straight, but I wanted my character to be strictly Lesbian. I also played through with a male Gay main character. My husband did the same. Its fun. It’s fantasy.  Everyone should get to enjoy the game, and Dragons Age did their best to allow for that. [And really… any gamer in denial about women loving RPGs as much as men..is off their rocker.]

  • Jibblet Saucy Gravytime the 3r

    So true! Haha

  • Blake Bouknight

    I was really impressed by his response. The fact that he took the time to so eloquently defined the option amazes me. Also I had never heard it put that way and think its an inspired argument. By the way my sims have been taking it up the butt since the late 90’s.